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jamie  Left-handed Welsh Git
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Post: #1 (ID: 11407)  Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:13 am Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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I've added a wee status thing under the "chat users" on the front page that shows your connection type to the server : compressed, or uncompressed.
EVERY CONNECTION TYPE SHOULD BE COMPRESSED - the server compresses web pages on the fly - typically making them 4 or 5 times smaller.
If you are marked as *uncompressed* then things are going to be needlessly slower (and consume more bandwidth)
Set your connection type to 'use http/1.1' AND 'use http/1.1 through proxy' or maybe 'allow gzip compression' and speed up the web for you and us 
Configuration details for your browser are here : http://www.webreference.com/internet/software/servers/http/compression/ |
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Post: #3 (ID: 11409) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:16 am Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Finally, I CAN TELL who is using compressed, and who isn't (/kick Todge  ) so don't make me go after you ! |
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jamieLeft-handed Welsh Git
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Post: #6 (ID: 11437) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:48 am Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Well, Ok, the bandwidth my server end isn't really the issue, but it WILL affect you, and I want all BGB'ers to have a pleasurable experience!
I'm sorry, I don't know where to set it on a Mac... You want to look for some setting that says "Use http/1.1", "compressed", or "gzip", or "accept-encoding" and switch it on.
Configuration details for web-browsers are here : http://www.webreference.com/internet/software/servers/http/compression/
You should see a big difference on web sites that use the compression module.. Not all do, but the list is growing.
As for the alien... ooops, sorry, fixed now |
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Todge
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Post: #7 (ID: 11444) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:39 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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| jamie wrote: | | Finally, I CAN TELL who is using compressed, and who isn't (/kick Todge ) so don't make me go after you ! |
OUCH....
*Rubs ankle*
I did,'t know...... honest......
Now how do I correct this thing???
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Post: #9 (ID: 11448) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:20 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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jamieLeft-handed Welsh Git
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Post: #10 (ID: 11459) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:21 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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| Todge wrote: | OK.....
Both my HTTP 1.1 thingys are ticked, yet I still am not using compression....
How come??? |
Hmmm, I checked the logs, and you definitely aren't using compression, as you say (I don't trust my code )
That is strange... I wonder if the NTL cache is being naughty, and filtering it out ?
Don't worry about it, but I'll create a different test page for you to connect to - one normal one, and one that should hopefully bypass the proxy.. see what happens.. I'll let you know
/me takes back kick |
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jamieLeft-handed Welsh Git
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Post: #11 (ID: 11460) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:27 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Thanks Jamie! |
No worries.. Unfortunately, some of the more obscure smileys are disappearing slowly from the original smiley database... I want to clean it up, so that I can do a smooth upgrade...
As for the upgrade : coming soon (*)
1) built in chat board
2) country-of-origin flag appears on each post (not much use here, 'cos we know us all, but still)
3) Improved spell-checker.
4) other improvements I don't know about!
"4" will be due to the software upgrade.
"1" and "3" will be add-ons I'll be installing.
"2" is one of my own hacks.. depending on how it goes, I may add other stuff too, like optional date-of-birth field and anything else anyone thinks of.
The main reason I'm doing this, is I'm currently running about 10 forums on here, and the maintenance is a bit rough... So they have all aged (most forums are LOTS older than this one )
I'm installing the latest code, and hacking it so that the same code can run every forum - that way, there will only be one codebase to alter... This is why I'm trying to clean the smileys a bit... If I switched the other 9 boards to the smilies we had previously, there would have been quite a shock!
p.s. ALL smileys will exist with a #XNNN# code - that will not change!
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Post: #12 (ID: 11472) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:11 am Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Hey, the pain in my ankle has all gone....
Didn't know ISPs could do that......
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Post: #13 (ID: 11550) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:39 am Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Todge (of Todge Hall),
The wonders of computers, eh ?
Could you please try the following 2 addresses. Ta!
http://www.bishopston.com/test/
https://secure.bishopston.net/test/
If compression is working, you will see a line something like :
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING=deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0
(the exact values may be different.. that's ok, as long as its HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING and 'gzip' is in there somewhere.)
Hopefully, the first one will go through the proxy, and the second one won't - this will be a way to test if the proxy is the culprit!
Try it, and let me know. Ta! |
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Post: #14 (ID: 11613) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:40 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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jamieLeft-handed Welsh Git
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Post: #15 (ID: 11629) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:42 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Ok, well, yes and no. Yes, it solves what's going on, but no, it doesn't help you
You're sure your "enabled.. blah blah through proxy is working?"
Anyway, I checked the logs to confirm:
NTL forces all connections to port80 through teir proxy server.. http runs on port 80.. https runs on port 443 - hence why i asked you to test the second one.
The HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING line is fine (I don't use IE - the coding OPERA accepts is different, but as long as gzip is on the list, that's fine)
However, this connection was direct. The connection through the NTL proxy does indeed have the HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING line missing, which implies their server is doing it! (if you aren't configured to do anything special with the proxy!)
Is there an option specifying HTTP/1.0 is the old HTTP spec, that doesn't accept accept-encoding -- it seems maybe their proxy is only conforming to HTTP/1.0 -- again, unless your system is configured specifically to talk http/1.0 to the proxy
HTTP_VIA=HTTP/1.0 ntl-site[D56BE004] (Traffic-Server/5.2.2-58903 [uScM])
I'll set up something next, so you can temporarily bypass the ntl proxy for the BGB site - if you find it makes things much quicker, I suggest you talk to NTL! |
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Post: #16 (ID: 11630) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:56 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Todge, can you try this ?
http://www.thebgb.net:9999/
It will be slower initially, as the browser thinks the address is different, so things will need to be recached, but after looking at a few pages you should see whether it's better or not..
cheers,
J |
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Post: #17 (ID: 11631) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:11 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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I KNOW WHAT IS WROOOOONG..............
I use a pop up compressor.... 'WebWasher'....
If I disable that, I do indeed enter your site 'squashed'.... Soooo.... All I have to do is remember to exit WebWasher before I visit The BGB Club..
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Post: #18 (ID: 11632) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:22 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Ahhh! That explains it!
Sorry NTL
your webwasher "proxy" is only HTTP/1.0 compatible.. seee if you can find a HTTP/1.1 version
Still, it's your call. If it's too much hassle to switch it on and off, stick with what you've got... It's YOU who gets to see the potential difference... Doesn't bother me - I just like people to enjoy the fastest possible browsing experience
Ok, next project: Expiring/caching images...  |
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Post: #19 (ID: 11637) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:33 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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You can disable it for certain websites... Of which yours is one of them...
Tho I'm still 'uncompressed', even if it is disabled... I have to physically close it!!
Hmmmmmmmm... Never mind... I'll just try to remember to do that...
Sorry Jamie..
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Post: #20 (ID: 11640) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:44 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0)
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Presumably, if the thing is still active, when its disabled for a site, it simply doesn't filter any of the URL's that pass through it. But as they pass through it, the http/1.1 status is being removed, as it's only http/1.0 aware... Maybe. Or maybe it's still specifically stripping that header for
bogus anonymous reasons (other headers maybe, but all this header says about you is that you can accept a compressed connection!)
I don't know.. I'm talking out of my arse 
Finally, by sounding so zealous in my first few posts, I've probably come across as if it's a problem for me.. It's not - so there's no need to be sorry.
I don't have infinite bandwidth quota, but as my machine gets over 1 million web hits a month, a few text pages not compressed won't make any difference!
But I do like to make things as efficient as possible, and if something I do isn't being used by you or anyone else, I hope to get it working, just so that you finally come to the conclusion my server is the fastest on the web .. but there's no PERSONAL penality. so, no need to be sorry.
Stay uncompressed if it works better for you... and I promise not to moan |
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